Monday, October 11, 2010

Question?????



10/11/2010-Genesis 1:1-
my questions-If in the beginning God created the "heaven" the same day he created earth then when was there time for this lucifer vs God conflict to evolve. From what I thought the rebellion of satan happened before the creation of earth. Who is this serpent that is mentioned in Genesis 3:1 But I am getting ahead of myself. 

Side note Isaiah 14:12 the first time we see the word lucifer...hmm lucifer is a latin word so how did the hebrew speaking prophet end up putting a latin word in this story. I cant help but wonder what was the original hebrew word that was there.Is this story really mistranslated, is Isaiah 14:12 just truly talking about a fallen king who enslaved the Israelite's??? 


Answer via wikipedia The Vulgate (Latin) version of the Christian Bible used the word "lucifer" (with lower-case initial) twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word Φωσφόρος (phōsphoros), a word, from φῶς (phōs) meaning "light" and φέρω (pherō̄) meaning "to carry", that has the same meaning of Light-Bringer that the Latin word has, and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל (Hêlēl).[26] In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used outside the Bible for the devil, and was popularized in works such as Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost, but forEnglish speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version of Isa 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל, which more modern English versions render as "Morning Star" or "Day Star". A similar passage in Ezekiel 28:11–19 regarding the "king of TyreThe Vulgate did not use the Latin word lucifer to represent the two references to the Morning Star in the Book of Revelation . In both cases the original Greek text uses a circumlocution instead of the single word "φωσφόρος", and a corresponding circumlocution is used in the Latin. Thus "stella matutina" is used for "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ πρωϊνός" in Revelation 2:28, which promises the Morning Star to those who persevere, and for "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ πρωϊνός" (or, according to some manuscripts, "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ ὀρθρινός") in Revelation 22:16, where Jesus calls himself "the bright morning star".
The English word "Lucifer" is used in none of these places (other than Isaiah 14:12), where the Latin translation uses the Latin word "lucifer" (i.e., morning star).
Outside the Bible, the Roman Rite liturgy's Exultet chant in praise of the paschal candle refers to Christ as the Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer, with lower-case initial)" was also applied to the devil, contributing to the traditional picture of the fallen angel........

So although this answers my question about the hebrew prophet turning up a latin word, I still wonder what this heaven is referring to is it just talking about outer space or high up into the sky, or is it the actual heaven where God and the angels are. If that is so and the serpent mentioned is satan then how long was it between adam and eve's creation and fall...less then 130 years gen 5:3 :) 

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